Friday 10 April 2015

The Wise Man's Fear - Patrick Rothfuss and institutional sexism

This is a pretty specific post, but hopefully there's stuff in there even if you haven't read the book. 

I have been listening happily to the audiobook of The Wise Man's Fear, basking in the lilting language of Patrick Rothfuss and trying desperately to ignore a growing feeling of unease.

But no more. I can no longer listen to the life of Kvothe - it is making bile rise in my throat.

There is an insidious, deeply ingrained sexism running through this book that is typical of the male-led, fantasy-for-adults genre. There is a rising number of female fantasy writers and female fantasy writers of colour, but by and large the writers of fantasy are white, heterosexual men (I am not including books about angels, vampires or witches in this statement... more on that in future posts).



So onto The Wise Man's fear and why I turned it off, put it down and will not be continuing to read it despite loving Rothfuss' use of language, incredible world construction and based around a magical premise very appealing to a storyteller.

This is the second in a series of books narrated by Kvothe the Bloodless as he looks back over his life. He is something of a legend with a complex past and has to live in secret. Every small incident of his life has been mythologised by the world at large. To be clear before we go further, the narrator is a grown man talking about himself as a boy. It is not narrated by a hormonal teenager and even if it was, that would not excuse the attitude. At this point in the narrative, he is telling the reader about being a 16 year old with a ridiculously mature, talented and sharp mind. He is able to direct a group of seasoned mercenaries in pursuit of bandits; he is able to woo a grown woman through his poetic penmanship and has not yet found anything (except a form of Tai Chi) that he finds a struggle or a strain. He is also entirely and totally sexist, creating a supporting-supporting cast of sexually objectified eye-candy to orbit the penile desires of Kvothe and his mates.

Ok - to get this out the way early - I don't think Rothfuss is a sexist intentionally, nor consciously, but judging by his blog posts he needs to do some work. He is also in the position now that he has enough fan girls gathered at his feet that he doesn't need to worry about it - someone will always be there to remind him that they are a woman-and-they-don't-mind, fan his ego and sooth his concern.

Now, there's a few of you out there who have read the books and I shall address you first. The depth of sexism in this book is a testament to Rothfuss' intelligence. This is what makes it so irritating. I want a fantasy writer of his calibre to have an imagination that can extend to a representation of women that is not focussed on her level of sexual attraction. It cannot be dismissed as easily as some would like by saying “but Hespe is a strong woman and so is Mola”. Very few new-age sexists think that women cannot be strong (within reason) and certainly no writer who wants success will write about a Princess locked in castle waiting for Kvothe to save her whilst she mournfully sighs and brushes her hair. For one thing, the level of sophistication we expect in a novel's story structure would not allow it. Just as the world has evolved and developed, so has western-world sexism and Rothfuss' second novel demonstrates that it is alive and well within the pages of high quality fantasy fiction.

Fan-created art for Fela - one of the most talented students of naming in the Arcanum.
You can tell because she is wearing glasses.  

The description of Marie was what woke me up - a dim feeling of discomfort became a stab of anger. This is no mere sexist slip or inappropriate comment - there is institutional sexism within this story.

Let's do this step-by-step. This is how she was introduced:

I liked Marie. She was taller than most men, proud as a cat, and spoke at least four languages.... Pants you could do a day’s work in, boots you could use to walk twenty miles. I don’t mean to imply she wore homespun, mind you. She just had no love for fashion or frippery. Her clothes were obviously tailored for her, close fitting and flattering....

The four of us eyed the stage.

“I will admit,” Wilem said quietly, “that I have given Marie a fair amount of consideration.”

Manet gave a low chuckle. “That is a woman and a half,” he said. “Which means she’s five times more woman than any of you know what to do with.”

At a different time, such a statement might have goaded the three of us into swaggering protest. But Manet stated it without a hint of taunt in his voice, so we let it pass. Especially as it was probably true.

“Not for me,” Simmon said. “She always looks like she’s getting ready to wrestle someone. Or go off and break a wild horse.”

 “She does.” Manet chuckled again. “If we were living in a better age they’d build a temple around a woman like that.”

Quick question - don't think too much: In your imagination, is she in her 20s, 30s, 40s or 50s? Bearing that in mind, is it weird that Manet is drooling over her? He is in his 50s. Added to this an opening image of 4 men sitting at a table 'eyeing the stage', I get the sense of a strip club not a musician's bar.

I’ll dive straight into the immediate sexual objectification by the assembled ‘main’ characters. This is one example but happens perpetually throughout the novel. If we move past her introduction as being 'proud as a cat' in tight fitting clothes (this is one of the less sycophantic descriptions of women in the book), what angers me more is the male character's immediate, chronicled response. Wilem ponders Marie as one might the idea of buying a new car. She has been "considered" a few times. There is no sense that she may or may not be interested in him, no mutual interaction or interest, merely something that he has considered taking out for a test drive. Then Simmon rejects her as a sexual partner because she presents as being strong. It is unclear whether he is referring to strength of character or physical strength, but either way it is distasteful. As the icing on the penis-cake, Manet, the grizzled 50 yr old student, describes her as something they need to “know what to do with”. Do we have the impression of a sentient equal being or do we have the impression of Marie as the wild horse not the breaker as Simmon weakly suggests? Rothfuss has admitted that there are strong, unusual women with talent in his universe, but that is irrelevant. Do the men admire her talent? No. Just discuss whether or not they would take a turn trying out this wild and unusual creature as a sexual partner.

An artist's interpretation of Manet from Wiki - love interest for Marie. At least he believes
that he is skilled enough to 'know what to do with her'.
I'm sure he means her intellect.

And then the worst bit - the pedestal - the phrase that many men now trot out as a panacea to feminist “I’m not a sexist – I love women” before composing a poem to our breasts. The one thing as bad (sometimes worse) as women being regarded as less-than-human is when we are regarded as more-than-human. "Celestial, goddess, divine!"

Higher you climb, the harder they get.
But why wouldn't we want this? Why wouldn't we want songs praising our bottom and eyes? Why wouldn't we want to be regarded higher than any other woman, any other creature, more than life itself??? A woman put on a pedestal and called a goddess will never be able to live up to the beliefs and aspirations placed upon one so divine. Does a Goddess get mad when she's hungry? Does a Goddess of love and beauty turn down sex because she is not in the mood? NO! Would Felurian turn it down? Would Felurian have a headache?

Perceiving any woman (that includes your Mums) as more than human is not helpful. Degredation and inflation both prevent a woman from being considered an average human being with talents and flaws. A human is capable of mistakes; a goddess isn't. A human being has power and intelligence; a creature does not. Consider me a goddess and I can only disappoint you. This is the latest incarnation of sexism and allows those men, who need to take a long hard look at themselves and their attitudes, to claim their position as a feminist because  “Women are AMAZING! I wrote a worship ode to the breast. Women are incredible, sacred beings.”

No.

We are not.

We are just people.

Sometimes we are particularly impressive people like Rosa Parks or particularly sexy people like Marilyn Monroe, but we are still just people and scream, shit and cry like anyone else.

A woman is just as sacred as a man. There are differences in the physical manifestation of that sacredness, but in all cases it is a human, not more than human, beauty that you are seeing. Don't allow a love of the female form, character or sexual appeal to get in the way of seeing the rest of her!

The most irritating aspect of ‘goddessing’ women (real or fictional) is that it is quite nice to be worshipped a bit and to have our bits praised. Stay alert, women of the world! There is a difference between being told you are beautiful by someone who loves you and being put on a pedestal – watch out for the difference.

Back to the book. I've read some bloggers who make the excuse “this isn’t Rothfuss it's a young Kvothe who is objectifying women with the confident tone of the thoroughly well-sexed”. Come on people – he is the author, he created Kvothe and then chose to write the book purely from his point of view. Rothfuss has crafted an inherently sexist world – a world with sexism all the way through the Fey. Yes. The Fey. This character's love nest and tutelage of Kvothe lasts several chapters in the book. She just can't help but turn men on; to love men to death is her entire existence.

Thanks to Deviant Art. Google Felurian yourself for ruder images.
She has a childish intellect and enthusiasm and cannot stop shagging. She is a literal embodiment of the manic-pixie-dream-girl trope without the inconvenience of having a whimsical fancies... or clothes. In fact, thanks to Felurian, Kvothe almost forces himself upon a woman in the human world when he is returned from his epic man-making session in the Fey world. Silly boy - dealing with real women is more complicated because they have the wit to grasp the concept of consent. With Felurian you need to neither get or give consent, if you are a man you will be having sex with the naked writhing lady. In fact, doesn't this count as some sort of rape?

Rothfuss created a universe that is incredibly detailed and real with fairies and demons and magical spells. But he couldn’t create one where women were anything more to the main characters than something to f**k.

Men reading this – if you have, repeatedly and endlessly been judged as whether or not you may be worth taking a turn on, then please express an opinion. If you have not, try to put yourself in our shoes for one moment and then re-read Rothfuss’ words. We’ve been living this for thousands of years. Enough is enough.

The reality is I'm not just irritated, as I would be if a man in the street made an objectifying comment or a male teacher talked down to me ; I'm upset. I'm upset that a man with the imagination to create such a fantastic and real world of myth, magic and story does not have the imagination to create a world where women are more than love-objects.

12 comments:

  1. This is a very well expressed and insightful article which I'm surprised hasn't received more attention, I can maybe attribute this to Rothfuss' status as something of a sacred cow in the fantasy genre.
    Having read the first two Kvothe books myself I am staggered that anyone could fail to identify them as pure adolescent male wish-fulfillment. Kvothe is a super cool, super intelligent, unbeatable, magical, musical prodigy and (of course) all the ladies love him. He's so good with the ladies, in fact, that when he loses his virginity it is with a demon woman capable of destroying ordinary men with her sexuality.
    The shameless pandering to adolescent fantasies reminded me of Twilight but for males, better written by a factor of ten, but nonetheless in the same ballpark. And therein lies the problem; Patrick Rothfuss is a good writer. He has a talent for description and a gift for verisimilitude in his fantasy that carried me halfway through the second book before I realised how suspect the content was.
    I would also like to mention that I am male and that I have nevertheless always preferred the characters in the books I read to be fully-formed, regardless of what kind of genitals they may have.

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  2. Thank you for your comment. I am totally with you - halfway through book 2 and the Rothfuss-tinted glasses shattered leaving me very annoyed! The characters from The Painted Man by Peter V Brett or any David Gemmell novel are excellent antidotes.

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  3. This seems to me like a gross overreaction. The scene involving Marie is normal behavior for a group of men (or even women) at a bar, no matter how young or old, and you are very naive if you fail to see this, or expect portrayals of this king of thing never to happen. There is nothing wrong with sexuality, and since this book is written from the point of view of a heterosexual man, it is only natural that this sexuality is directed towards women.

    For what it's worth, Rothfuss is very careful about how he portrays women in his writing, and he definitely fits the definition of "feminist". Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_7GagjPSWA&feature=youtu.be&t=54m52s

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    1. Frigiderm, just because something exists, doesn't mean that it should be written about without commentary. It's the equivalent of standing by while someone makes an offensive joke and pretending nothing is wrong. If Rothfuss was truly feminist he would include some sort of critique of this within the book itself.

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    2. I'm with you Unknown reader!

      Anyone can say they're a feminist but it does not make them one.

      Rothfuss objectifies each and every woman in the book (as I have detailed). He has purposefully and intentionally created a universe which perpetuates and exaggerates whatever objectification currently exists in our culture. And as Unknown points out - just because it exists doesn't make it ok! If Rothfuss gave two hoots about improving things for women, he would have done something about it through his art. But he didn't.

      And I'm afraid I don't agree with you. I do not believe that when men look at women they reduce them to an animal who needs to be tamed or a potential sexual conquest. I know men to be better than that. Sadly, Rothfuss is not because he cannot write about a female character without his constructed characters sexually deconstructing them mentally.

      An author has the power to construct a universe. When the author introduces societal rules or norms, they must take responsibility for exploring them fully. This universe is disgracefully male-gaze - the worst of male-gaze - and is unrelenting. If I had found a single instance, I could easily have forgiven and forgotten. If it had anything to do with the story, I wouldn't have minded, but this is a deeply embedded sexism and objectification.

      But it's ok because he keeps telling people he's a feminist.

      I must be wrong.

      I'm being over sensitive.
      Or maybe I'm on my period.

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    3. I am reading the books right now, and I do feel that your reaction to the Marie is really exaggerated. Yes, four men seated at a table will often comment on a strong, beautiful woman in terms of sexual desire, especially when they are young, like it or not. Pretending otherwise would describe something other than a normal heterosexual male, and an author is free to choose not to take this road.
      And does Simmon dislike Marie because she is strong? Sorry, you are so totally misguided on this. He probably does like her very much, but he knows that she would just laugh in his face and dismiss him. He is nerdy, inexperienced and most people consider him a loser right away, Rothfuss states it clearly in another section. He knows pretty well that Marie is out of his league, and with her aggressive demeanor, she would dismiss him in a rather painful way, probably badly berating him in front of everyone. So he realizes that he is better off avoiding the confrontation altogether.
      Felurian: yes, that's a section that I find rather embarassingly cliché, but in no way does her consorting with Kvothe constitute rape. She is willing, remember? And she can actually control Kvothe and any other man, save for the point where he briefly finds the name of the wind. That said, the idea of wooing a mythical demigoddes of lust *is* cheesy in my view.

      If the Marie scene irks you, you may want to read the Time Of The Dark series by Barbara Hambly, you would probably like it. Two people from our world get transported in a fantasy setting. The woman is a strong, intelligent scholar that finds out she is an exceptional fighter too. She saves everybody several times, never has a failing, is able to perform incredible feats (with just a few months training, she kills several experienced soldiers that try to rape her), and is the one that understands the Sauron-like Great Menace better than anyone else. The man, on the other hand, is a lazy, not so intelligent guy who gives up at every possible occasion and some more. He is no fighter, he only makes embarassingly bad decisions, never does anything useful, bungles every single thing he does and takes no merit for the only good characteristic he possesses (innate magical powers). More a comic relief than a character in his own right.
      Females in power are strong and honest, (if, in a single case, misguided). Males in power are weak, corrupt, treacherous and only care for their personal gain.
      There is one significant positive male character, but he's an absurd male on a pedestal, kind of a medieval Christian Grey, and anyway he's not from this world.
      If Rothfuss wrote of women like Hambly does of men, you would probably have a stroke by the tenth chapter ;-)
      Hambly is sexist, and her books are a constant and obvious manifest of female superiority. Rothfuss is not sexist in my view, unless you consider sexist the simple fact that his main character is a heterosexual male, with the appetites of most specimen of his class. Sorry, I believe that it's an author's privilege to pick whoever he wants as his protagonist.

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  4. I absolutely love The Kingkiller, and I am a woman, a feminist woman at that. What I think is being taken out of proportion, is the fact that this is a FANTASY book. I get it, most female characters are a bit underrepresented. Kvothe does talk about them and in general describes them as "wild, beautiful things" I don't think that writing a book makes you instantly sexist or antifeminist. some books are about specifically this type of behavior from men towards women, am I saying that I condone that behavior? NO! but I understand that it is fantasy, it doesn't necessarily represent the exact thoughts and feelings an author has in REAL life toward REAL women.

    But if we have to discuss how his female characters are all so manic-pixie like, I have to say I disagree.. Fela IS described as beautiful, A LOT OF TIMES. is there something antifeminist about a woman being beautiful? She is also described as intelligent, she is in Elodin's class AND she amsters a name even before KVOTHE (who is supposed to be the best at everything).

    Mola, is described as amazing at her job in the medica and also very intelligent, I don't even remember if she is supposed to be beautiful or not.

    Devi is a witty, clever, intelligent powerful woman, albeit she does offer to sleep with Kvothe for information, but I think that has more to do with her character and not with her being a woman.

    And then we come over to all of the ADEM woman, who are the leaders in their society, who are the better fighters, the better teachers, who in fact are almost better at everything than men, becase men have "too much anger" (which could also be construed as sexism towards men, specifically where they say that men are to angry to control themlseves as so they fight like children).

    I mean , I get it, its not nice to see women portrayed as weak and frivolous and just appreciated for their beauty most times. But that doesn't mean that we should take EVERYTHING EVERYWHERE to be sexism. There are bigger battles to be fought to be stressing over a FANTASY book that has mixed types of female characters but that is truly about a principal male character.

    If we do this, we could find sexist characters in every single book, tv show, movie, song... I just believe, we, as women, also need to chill a little and understand that not everything that is said is a move from the patriarchy to undermine and subjugate us.

    JMHO

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  5. "I must be wrong.

    I'm being over sensitive
    Or maybe I'm on my period."

    So now no one can say your wrong, because the very act of engaging in argumentative conversation, is an infringement upon your femininity.

    Is that your definition of feminism? If you disagree with me, I will invalidate your argument through loose logic and the manipulation of meaning through text. The word "eyed" does not inherently reflect sexist thoughts, in fact, the only way it can be construed that way, especially in the sentence 'we eyed the stage' is through your own assumption of inherent sexism in men.

    That seems a bit sexist.

    To move on, commenting on the physical body of a character, when in the narrative of a heterosexual male, is obviously going to be inlaid with a level of attractiveness.

    Is being attracted to someone sexist?

    Because that's what you seem to be asserting. The fact that a group of men discussed the attractiveness of an individual, is sexist?

    If that's the case, why did you not bring up the fact the sexism that occurs when Marie judges Manet? She is taken aback, eyes him speculatively, (uncannily like an object) and decides whether or not she is worth his time.

    I don't believe that interaction is sexist. I believe that interaction is human.

    Should we exclude sexual attraction when looking for a partner? Is that sexist? To find someone attractive/unattractive.
    What you're challenging here is Evolution, and in doing so, life in totality.

    But I must be wrong, because I'm a male and don't agree with your views on what feminism is.

    I must be wrong.

    I'm being oppressive.
    Or maybe, I'm just dismissing your argument for no other reason than your gender.

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  6. I have written a long (and obviously very eloquent) response that I am now not allowed to post :(

    So I shall just sum it up. You got a sarcastic response from me because you dismissed a long argument by telling me I didn't understand the world. I'm afraid you don't know better than me.

    This book is told through an unquestioned, sexually aggressive male gaze which renders all female characters except his Mum as sexual all the time. Men do not constantly objectify women unless they are sexist and then they should change. Rothfuss is not a feminist because he does not portray women as being equal to men. If Kvothe's attitude was questioned or challenged or part of the story then I wouldn't be cross - you have to passively accept his penis wielding nonsense as 'the way things are'.

    That is not the way things are.

    Please refer to anything by Brandon Sanderson, Peter V Brett or David Gemmell. In fact read the Painted Man - particular the Leesha chapters to experience how a sexist universe can contain fully rounded and beautifully portrayed women. Rothfuss does not do this in Wise Man's Fear. This angered me.

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  7. I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your analysis of Rothfuss' books. To be honest, I have recommended these books to many fantasy readers I know simply because his beautiful writing style captivated me. But lately I've been reflecting on the sexism in the books and have been trying to figure out how I missed it at first. I think I ignored it because I got so wound up in Kvothe's story. He is an arrogant, know-it-all little ass whose story is that of a male person possessing ultimate, unchallenged male privilege. Inside Kvothe's frame of reference, I got to taste what it feels like to truly believe that you can do and be anything you want. To be inherently good at everything, to have whoever you want, to be a hero and also, sadly, someone who is socially, intellectually, physically and sexually dominant. It was compelling, and also completely messed up. I think it speaks to internalized sexism that men and women alike love a character that is an adolescent fantasy of the ideal male and how we *expect* men to be. Creating a character like this simply replicates patriarchal representations of masculinity and is neither feminist nor exceptional. I'm a bisexual, poly, cisgender BIPOC woman and for me, I think this book has been the guiltiest of pleasures; a taste of what life is like on the other side, a chance to step into shoes that are SO far away from my day to day experience. But sadly, after my recent reflections (and your article) I don't think I'll be recommending this book to other folks. Y'know, I appreciate that Rothfuss considers himself a feminist, but he still has a long ways to go towards understanding male privilege and many other nuances of sexism. I hope he evolves over time and comes to a place where he will start walking his talk.

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  8. I just finished The Wise Man's Fear, and was so bothered by the casual and ingrained sexism that I did a search to see how common this reaction is. Surprisingly, it's not as common as I thought, though it did lead me to your excellent post. For context, I'm a middle-aged male who has little patience for thin-skinned hypersensitive types who find micro-aggressions wherever they look. Yet this book left me feeling queasy (perhaps from the recognition that my younger self probably wouldn't have seen much wrong with it).

    That's what I really appreciate about your take on TWMF - you point out it's a story told my a grown man, who has packed several lifetimes of living into his years. So even though he's talking about his time as a 15-16 y/o, he's doing so from what should be a mature, insightful perspective. Instead, there's nothing but self-justification for all the sexism. The real shame is this makes the book so much less readable, and Kvothe ultimately so pathetic. The imbalance is so great that these are not interesting characters.

    There are only two kinds of women in Kvothe's world - young and attractive (and attracted to him), or geriatric and wise (and those quite rare). Ask a male fan of the book to rank the 10 most attractive female characters. It's easy! Without much effort, I can name off 15 hot chicks in TWMF.

    Now name the 10 most interesting middle-aged women in the book. Oops. OK, name just three, and they don't even have to be interesting. How about one? Kvothe's mother doesn't count, since she isn't even a living character in TWMF. On the other hand, name 10 interesting middle-aged males. The book is full of them, and they come in all flavors. Even the supposedly matriarchal and "liberated" Ademre society in Haert is a paper-thin young male fantasy of male attitudes transposed onto women (really, they don't connect intercourse with pregnancy! Hahahaha!). Anyway, nice post Abbie, you hit the nail on the head.

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  9. Hi! I know I'm really late responding to this, but I found your post and thought it was really interesting. I've often found something quite off about the female characters in Rothfuss' books - as well as the feminism he expresses in public - but your post was really enlightening for me on that front. I'm not sure if you're still interested in talking about Rothfuss or his books, but your post got me thinking about Wise Man's Fear and I think I might've hit on another strike against the book.

    The thing I noticed was about the Ademre civilisation. It always bugged me from a worldbuilding perspective because of the point you made about putting women on pedestals in your original post. But thinking back on it after reading your post, I realised there's a really seedy undercurrent to their entire existence. In particular, the fact that they have almost no sexual taboos whatsoever.

    There's a really unflattering stereotype of male feminists; that the only reason they want women to become sexually liberated and independent is because it'll make it easier for them to get laid. Obviously it would be unfair to tar all male feminists with this brush, but there are certainly more than a few like that out there. And I can't help but find it a bit dodgy that the Ademre civilisation are pretty much a perfect example of that kind of attitude. They're built up as a matriarchal - and therefore perfect - society where there's no crime or corruption and everyone lives in a flawless meritocracy. But the ultimate upshot of this is that our male protagonist gets to spend the bulk of his time there hanging around with athletic, attractive women who are perfectly happy to bone his brains out on request. He also learns martial arts there of course, but nothing about that is particularly relevant to the structure of the Adem society. He could've just as easily learned martial arts from a traditionally male-dominated society. The only purpose Ademre's structure serves is to facilitate more teenage male fantasies.

    I've also noticed a weird tendency for Rothfuss to insert a lot of gratuitous sex into the things he writes. Aside from the Ademre bit and the entire section with Felurian, he also wrote a short story for Unbound World's Fantasy Cage Match where he re-interpreted Tom Bombadil and Goldberry as bisexual polygamists just so that he could heavily imply a threesome between them and Devi. I don't want to get too slanderous or anything, but the more I read from and about the guy, the more I seriously question his motives for making such a public show of his "feminism".

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